Throwing It All Against the Wall – Season 03, Episode 19

In this episode, Matt and Jeremy say farewell to NXT Black and Gold and the Cruiserweight Championship.  NXT’s new strategy seems to be throwing everything against the wall and seeing what sticks.  We touch on the week in AEW and the rest of WWE.  And how could we not talk about Mickie James opening the forbidden door long enough for Moose to sneak through?!?!  #RIPNXTBlackandGold #RIPCruiserweightChampionship.

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00:00.00
Matt
So I was like okay that I should just stock up on these because they’re they’re okay.

00:03.67
Jeremy
Yeah, if you’re just joining us. Ah, Matt bought a ton of zoa ah rocks energy drink. So ah yeah, ah so I think I think I asked you last week but how is it is. It is all right.

00:17.20
Matt
It’s not.. It’s not bad. Ah, there’s a couple of the flavors that I’m not I’m not really a fan of I do like the the sugar-free wild orange. There is also a a lemon lime one. Um, that’s that’s okay and then a coconut one. That’s pretty good. Um, but yeah, they’re fine. Um, they they when you can get them on sale. They come come out a good bit cheaper than my bang energy drinks. So That’s that’s always good, save a couple of bucks God that would be nice, please like and subscribe.

00:45.64
Jeremy
We got to get that sponsorship so we can You can just get it for free. Oh.

00:53.87
Matt
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00:57.90
Jeremy
Yeah, let’s get that weirdo Ceo to sponsor us that’d be great. So let’s talk about wrestling though. How about how about the week of wrestling. So actually I didn’t catch all of New Year’s evil but I did watch I think.

01:03.11
Matt
All right.

01:13.47
Jeremy
What you said were the 2 most important matches I watched ah the opening match with ah Roderick strong and car Carmelo Hayes and I watch. Well I mean what’s her was because I know there was the the segment with a j and ah graceson waller and there was something some other like. Maybe a weird segment I think but then there was the the 6 man tag. Maybe there was another okay.

01:34.24
Matt
Yeah, there were I think there were fourches the the women’s triple threat ah chompa and Bron breaker. Um, the the 6 man tag and Roddy versus Carmelo Hayes

01:42.00
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:48.90
Jeremy
And let’s you know and I get I didn’t finish it but let’s just get it. Get it out of the way like there. There was a bunch of nxt releases this week and I think and you know I get. They’re kind of starting off new and and starting off a new year and all that stuff. But I don’t know I wish. This had just happened these releases happened on a more in inconsequential week for the program the like the the show but it’s almost like with um Bron breaker kicking that nxt symbol that just like oh we’re just going to do this all right now. But I think even if they waited till the end of the week

02:20.72
Matt
Yeah.

02:25.32
Jeremy
Allow people to like digest is like oh this like this is a pretty good. This was a pretty great show that would just sat better but like I think it did mar ah my viewing a little bit of it. Um, because I was watching it post kind of the firings and stuff. Um, so no more Joe no more regal. A lot of the backstage people that ah made um, nxc kind of what it was are all gone now. So any of triple h’s guys. So it’s a shame just knowing that I mean the white writing was on the wall but it’s pretty much it’s clear now like that that’s or it’s just done. It’s it is.

03:03.34
Matt
Yeah I think the the most telling thing is that they’re not. They’re not concerned with whether or not the the new crop can wrestle. Um and that that became pretty obvious when you you let Regal go um, half your coaches from the performance center were released. Um.

03:03.83
Jeremy
Truly annex t 2.0

03:11.30
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah.

03:23.34
Matt
And then you know you’ve got the the guys that were backstage doing mostly training I mean they they work on screen but like Danny Burch and Timothy Thatcher um guys that have just been around for a while and have have been that ear for the new guys to like you know bend when they had questions or if they wanted feedback. Um. So yeah, it’s it’s not wrestling anymore. It’s um, it’s pomp and circumstance and I think I said it in ah of a text message to you the other day that nxt just became you know 25 ultimate warriors. It’s all for show and it is it is not wrestling anymore. Um. I hate that braun breaker is lumped in with this because he’s he’s a super talented dude I kind of feel the same way about Carmelo Hayes um because on this card that that featured you know a ton of my favorites. Um roddey and Carmelo Hayes ah they tore it down. They probably could have gone another fifteen twenty minutes and kept it entertaining.

04:03.81
Jeremy
Yeah.

04:18.77
Jeremy
Yeah.

04:20.39
Matt
Ah, that match was that match was excellent. Rest in peace to the ah to the purple belt. Um you gone too soon. But it it was time if they were just going to keep wasting it. Um, so that that that sort of sucks but congratulations to Carmelo. Um. Picking up the unified north american cruiser weight champion championship. Um I don’t know what that means for rodty. Um, because I I kind of lump him in with cmpa here as because because champa’s.

04:48.65
Jeremy
Um, yeah I’m above. Yeah.

04:57.14
Matt
Ah, social media posts as soon as that show ended were not terribly promising for the future of nxt. Um, but yeah I I don’t think bron breakers is ah a Roman reigns I don’t think he can carry an entire brand like Roman has done for smackdown. Um, but.

05:00.92
Jeremy
Um, yeah.

05:16.18
Matt
You know I’ll give it the benefit of the doubt just because I’ve what I’ve I’ve been so diehard nxt for so long I’m I’m going to at least try. Um, but if if if this just means more screen time for Joe Gey I’m probably out.

05:24.53
Jeremy
Right.

05:31.35
Jeremy
Ah I mean so but we’ll give give would if we remember Roman was in the shield he was never the the talking guy he was never the guy that they really wanted to give a mike to when they did when he was on his own for those first few years you have the infamous tater tots promo versus Seamus. Like I mean he did find it. It took him a long ass time and he was put at the top of the car like for for a long time while he was finding himself. Um and but he got there. Yeah.

06:00.10
Matt
There were there were there were glimpses. Yeah, when they when like when you would read a report that like Vincent and all of his top cronies had left before raw started and then and then Roman got to do a promo late in the show that was like yeah nobody scripted that that was just him.

06:11.73
Jeremy
Yeah. Ah.

06:19.88
Matt
Like he knew what he was doing. He just didn’t didn’t really function well in the ah the canned script BS that they were handing him like the tater tots. Um I don’t think they’re they’re giving him anything now I think he’s just going out there and being a jackass and he’s loving every bit of it.

06:29.70
Jeremy
Yeah, right.

06:39.28
Matt
Um, but yeah I mean bro breaker he’s he he could be that guy. Um I just I don’t see the supporting cast. Um, it really is it’s and I I hate because this is going to sound like I’m like I’m shitting on on a lot of the guys that I’m their’re main roster guys. So they’re doing better than I am. Um, like it’s going to be a bunch of Baron Corbins and Angelo Dawkins and um and just just guys that were were former football players especially now that they’re doing these n nil deals um with collegiate athletes that are just going to get churned into this pipeline. Turned into a show piece. Um without actually like wrestling atite for the I’m grateful, incredibly grateful that you know gable um steveson already got signed for raw um because at the very least even if he’s not good at promos.

07:22.18
Jeremy
No.

07:38.14
Matt
The dude could actually wrestle so he’s got a. He’s got a leg up on pretty much everybody else I think ah, there’s like 6 women athletes that have signed those deals. Um, most of them are are collegiate basketball players. Um.

07:40.58
Jeremy
Meow.

07:56.26
Matt
You’d think they’d be. They’d be doing these with like collegiate gymnasts and like like they were talking on on aw the other night during the the Atlas match about how he was a collegiate gymnast and how that like everything he does in the ring kind of springs off of those skills and abilities that he had.

08:04.29
Jeremy
Yeah.

08:14.77
Matt
Um, I don’t really know how hitting a jump shot Um, helps you do a moon salt but you know I I don’t know if they fired they fired the guy that that did the scouting so he knows at this point.

08:18.80
Jeremy
Yeah, or or just give get yeah or it or at least just gives you the courage to do a moon saw at least if you’ve done a backlip as a gymnast like or cheerleader or something like that like you, you’ve.

08:30.86
Matt
Um, yeah.

08:36.76
Jeremy
Done something similar before you’re just now expected to land on a person instead of land on your foot on your feet. Um, so yeah, it’s it’s it is a little kind of interesting I mean it is like the rumor is they’re just really going to just churn through these people and if they don’t work out and like.

08:40.46
Matt
Oh yeah.

08:53.44
Matt
Yeah.

08:55.61
Jeremy
Two or three months or whatever of putting them on Tv they’re just going to let them go type thing so they’re they’re really just like the colors in the Nxt logo. They’re really just going to like throw it against the wall and see let’s see what what? What’s what a sticks and you know they could be successful. They could be but.

09:12.50
Matt
I I mean if you if you if you look back at at what Vince considers the heyday in the 80 s like how how many main event paper view spots did ultimate warrior have even though he’s hailed as one of the worst professional wrestlers of all time. Um.

09:15.25
Jeremy
We don’t know.

09:19.18
Jeremy
Yeah.

09:26.62
Jeremy
Ah.

09:31.37
Matt
So I mean he’s made it work that was of course thirty years ago when his faculties seemed a bit clearer. Um but he also sees the spark in Austin theory that I saw at that dingy evolve show years ago. Um, so there’s there’s signs of life still in there. Um.

09:36.16
Jeremy
P.

09:44.10
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah.

09:50.60
Matt
This was just a bad look this week. Um, just just cleaning house and all right.

09:50.98
Jeremy
Yeah I just and I hope I hope that that 2022 I mean over 85 wrestlers released this past year from w b I’m just hoping we’re. At least any big names were done with it like that’s that’s all so.

10:10.50
Matt
I I could see I could see a couple um particularly rodty and champa just because they’re they’ve got to be on the higher end of what they’re paying nxt talent and then I mean I.

10:17.28
Jeremy
The.

10:27.44
Matt
They’re not using shinsky for much of anything except to get Pat Mcafee excited ah so I mean it’s it’s been like four hundred days since he’s actually defended that title that he he’s carried around. Um so that’s never a good look. Um.

10:30.79
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah.

10:39.53
Jeremy
Yeah.

10:45.47
Matt
There’s There’s a handful of the main roster guys that that I don’t see being around much longer. It’s not a bad thing but it’s it’s getting to the point where you know they keep posting all these things where no, they’re not going to unify the belts and this and that but.

10:50.70
Jeremy
You know.

11:03.43
Matt
They don’t have enough talent left to man to to fully functional brands unless you’re going to get back to that that crap where every show was just like hey this guy’s in a 30 minute opening segment and then he closes the show for 30 minutes too and then there’s like.

11:17.84
Jeremy
Yeah.

11:21.45
Matt
Vignettes for people you haven’t seen in a year thrown in the middle advertisements for the undertaker meet Scooby-doo um I I fear that’s the direction I hope it’s not um, but if that’s where it’s headed. They they just just unify the belts.

11:27.14
Jeremy
Um, math.

11:39.76
Matt
Merge the brands back together. Um I see I see that that the writing’s on the wall anyway, that that’s the way it’s headed um the writing lately has been geared towards getting to that. Um the the ongoing Becky Charlotte Feud ah

11:52.66
Jeremy
Yeah.

11:58.86
Matt
Roman Brock being competing champions. Um I mean at least if we get belt unification stuff. Maybe that means shinske and Damien Priest will get to put on a show so who knows.

12:09.96
Jeremy
Yeah, well so what did what did you? What did you like this week what what’s a couple things you like across any brands that you may have watched.

12:19.35
Matt
Ah, Carmelo Carmelo Rodrick Strong was ah that was ah a hell of a good showing. Um I was real amped for that 6 men tag match it just felt super short. Um, and I I don’t I don’t know if maybe somebody got hurt I I haven’t seen any reports that they did um.

12:24.91
Jeremy
M.

12:38.95
Matt
It was nice that Bartel Barcel what did the other guy in imperium Marcel Bartel it’s kind of it’s kind of a I jumble it every time I try and say it. It was nice to see him get kind of the spotlight this time with the way the match ran.

12:45.38
Jeremy
Um, yeah, yeah, something like that. Yeah.

12:55.95
Jeremy
Um, yeah.

12:57.72
Matt
Um I eichner still did superhero stuff. Um, so that that was cool. The the show itself wasn’t bad ah that the women’s match was was really well done. Um, you know I I didn’t see any any anything going, you know anybody else getting that belt but Mandy especially now. Um, I feel like Vince has wanted to put a belt on her for a long time so that made sense for her to keep that one. Um, main event was okay, their their first match was I think their first match was better which is which is sad because this one did get a better build. Um.

13:29.37
Jeremy
Ah.

13:36.27
Matt
But I think I’m with you when he kicked that x it took me out of it entirely? Um, so I think that did a disservice to the match itself. Um, and you never want to see chompa lose Goldie ah rest of the week we are getting.

13:44.44
Jeremy
Right.

13:53.80
Matt
Brock Lesner versus Bobby Lashley at the royal rumble um, it was confirmed on Monday night they they did the actual fatal fourway that they were supposed to do 2 nights before to determine his number 1 contender Bobby Lashley got the win biggie looked like he was going to get it. Um, you know much like at day one and came up just short. But I got to say Paul Heyman cut a pro mode open raw that um I mean that you can tell that that man has a great deal of respect for both both Bobby Lashley and biggie and that that promo was excellent. Um, he talked biggie up like he should have been the champ for a decade now. Um, and Bobby Lashley’s just made himself credible so that was that was good to see him him put Bobby Lashley over going into this ah rest of the week oh hell I don’t even There’s been so much I don’t even remember what was on dynamite at this point.

14:51.58
Jeremy
Well so dynamite. Ah, you know we had the end of the tbs ah championship tournament. We got JJ ah yeah yeah, Jay Cargill so I started off with the one where we don’t have an injury for Jade Cargill

14:55.74
Matt
Oh you got a bunch of bunch of injuries on this.

15:06.70
Matt
But.

15:09.40
Jeremy
Ah, is our new Tbs championship. It kind of felt like that that was the case you know from the very beginning of this tournament when they announced what it is. Let’s see let’s see if she can she can hold it hold it up together. You know, um.

15:20.10
Matt
Um I I got to admit I every match she’s had up until now I was like I mean that it’s just whatever but they gave her they gave her you know fifteen seventeen minutes whatever it was to ah to work and she’s she’s good at what she does.

15:33.66
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah.

15:39.83
Matt
Ah, she sells well which is for for somebody that’s built like her um going up against significantly smaller opponents every time she’s in the ring. It’s probably a little hard to sell as well as you know you would, but she sells really well I was impressed with that.

15:49.64
Jeremy
Um. Yeah, ah we had ah opening the show we had Daniel Bryanson or Brian Daniels it ah it’s I’m never going to get it right? Ah, ah, let’s see so we have Brian.

16:04.98
Matt
What is Daniel Bryanson doing in the impact zone.

16:13.74
Jeremy
Call Brian um, against hangman to kind of that redo. Um I I did not go back and watch this match because I had a work call that called me when I was in the I thought I was done with work for the day and they called me and I to talks through some things and I like I had to fight real hard and like not get it sighted at certain points so that match. That I had on mute ah in the background because I didn’t stop watching it. Ah but it was it seemed to me for it. It was much ah much better and it was a ah pretty damn good match and if nothing else that players tribune picture of Dan O’brien in the training room afterwards is something else.

16:49.72
Matt
Yeah, they they beat the shit out of each other this time. Um I was really glad that they didn’t take the take the easy way out and run the time limit and have to go to the judges because I was afraid that was going to be. You know, super cheesy and just end up getting.

16:52.96
Jeremy
Yeah.

17:08.81
Matt
Ah, Daniel Bryanson another another shot at the belt. Um, but yeah that this match it. It was a little more hard hitting. Um, they moved a little bit faster the whole time. Um, and you could tell I mean they they still look like they could keep going at the end of that glorified iron man match. Um.

17:26.50
Jeremy
Um.

17:28.59
Matt
This one they they were both just completely exhausted. Um Hangman took a couple of bumps that look kind of gnarly one suicide dive where he hit the the barricade pretty hard and I I thought for sure he’d broken his wrist or his forearm. Um, but he kept going and and you know.

17:35.23
Jeremy
Um, yeah.

17:47.73
Jeremy
Yeah.

17:48.12
Matt
Still champ. So obviously he’s not not that bad. Um, yeah, this what this one was um, it was it. It was a completely different match I couldn’t really say one was better than the other. Ah these guys definitely do work really well together.

18:01.40
Jeremy
Yeah I would say this one’s better just because we had a definitive ah ending on it because I I like I just didn’t want to see another like ah Brian ah time limit draw or just like inconclusive match ah to 2 of those is enough for quite a while.

18:04.86
Matt
Yeah.

18:14.39
Matt
Yeah.

18:21.35
Jeremy
Um, but then we also had you know we had the ongoing Mjf Ah C and punk stuff which you know don’t really need to catch up on that and then we had the tag team title match. Ah Lucia Brothers defending against ah Jurassic Express and I you know it was an excellent match pretty pretty well done and then they had ah a table spot where this man phoenix is arm just bent in a weird way and I mean everyone was convinced that he had straight up broken his arm and some crazy.

18:59.92
Matt
Yeah, yeah.

19:00.10
Jeremy
Miraculous way. He did not um and he’s only expected to maybe miss like a few weeks maybe a couple months um unless you know some kind of mri reveals more but ah that you know if that didn’t happen I thought it would have been. I like it to my in my mind it would have been an excellent match. Um, but I just it’s really hard to like look past that there was a k fabe news ah article saying about like ah a commentator disgusted about watching ah injury for the fourteenth time fourteenth replay.

19:33.75
Matt
Yeah, yeah, they they may have edited some of that out. Ah before it hit the app because I I didn’t see it I think it was just when he hit and then one time it reshowed it but the fact that I mean his arm was bent.

19:34.17
Jeremy
It’s just like they kept on showing it. It’s just like please stop, Please stop showing it. So.

19:47.20
Jeremy
Yeah.

19:51.80
Matt
Completely the wrong way from the elbow down and for that to just be a dislocation. Um, he he dodged a hell of a bullet there because I would imagine that breaking an elbow is is no joke. But yeah, it was gross if you haven’t seen it. Um.

19:52.40
Jeremy
F.

20:04.66
Jeremy
Um, yeah.

20:10.79
Matt
I Don’t recommend it.

20:12.51
Jeremy
It’s it’s the table spot. So if you were you’re hell bent on watching tnaite this week ah just know that it’s happening at the table spot and just maybe look away. Um, but we have new champions. It’s ah you know they continued on like penta didn’t seem to know what? what actually happened on the outside. So. You know Penton and jungle boy seem to be getting to the conclusion of the match how it was supposed to happen anyway. So um, so you know we’ll see with new champions. Ah jungle boy and ah lucisaurus. We’ll see how that that works out I really enjoyed.

20:48.89
Matt
Um, I think I called that when we were at full gear that that the the only team that was going to take those titles from the from the luia brothers was going to be Jurassic Express so I felt

20:49.26
Jeremy
The Lucha Brothers as Champions. So Love to see this again. M.

21:03.16
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah.

21:07.60
Matt
Vindicate or justified. Therere somehow um in in predicting that several months ago. But I mean they’ve they’ve been building that for a while. There’s no way Jungle Boy wasn’t going to have a belt before too much longer at least? Um, but yeah, the match was good. The injury was gnarly and um.

21:19.38
Jeremy
Yeah, perfect.

21:25.71
Matt
But it it did look like it. It came to its its natural previously scheduled conclusion. It wasn’t any kind of audible that they had to call in the middle of the match or anything.

21:34.30
Jeremy
Yeah, and ah, speaking of ah near miss injuries. We also have Jake Atlas against Adam Cole on rampage and man you know I I got to say it. It felt good knowing that. Jake Atlas said that you know he’s going to be all right? like it’s not He’s not going to be out too long. He didn’t get any specifics but you know this could have been a ten 10 month you know year ah injury and he’s you know, presumably not going to be gone long but he I guess just tweaked his knee when he like landed. Um, from from a springboard when he got super kicked. So um, it didn’t look so bad on the is it wasn’t nearly as bad as watching the phoenix thing. Um, but man that match beforehand I thought it was excellent and I love seeing coal and atlas go at it and just all the reversals and.

22:22.47
Matt
Yeah.

22:29.45
Jeremy
And just the acrobatics again that using that gymnast training to to good use and just what a great kind of first showing against coal. You know I thought that was a fantastic use of of Atlas.

22:41.71
Matt
Yeah, and it was it was a good a good showing for Cole to to put him in there with somebody that has that that level of like technical savvy that they could do all those reversals and make it work that he’s he’s not just kind of flash and and catchphrases it was it was cool to get him to see. Ah.

22:45.27
Jeremy
Um.

22:52.51
Jeremy
Now. Yeah.

23:01.68
Matt
See him do a good bit more mat work.

23:03.23
Jeremy
Yeah, and then it just kind of going on to to atlas his time and nx t like to me Alice would have fit in with this 2.0 like really well he’s bigger. He’s actually he’s like they the commentary would mention these two hundred and thirty pounds he was definitely bigger than than coalle. Um I think.

23:12.59
Matt
Yeah.

23:22.93
Jeremy
I think Atlas could have been great in two point zero. But I think they were just kind of in a lot of senses cleaning house. Um, and just getting rid of people especially because he was basically put in the cruiser weight division which I don’t know if he was just he’s gained £25 of muscle since he’s been. Off Tv or if they were you know, just fudging the numbers because he looked you know if you depending on who you’re putting in in there against he looks smaller I guess so I don’t know.

23:49.22
Matt
Yeah, he um, he he was noticeably bigger but not not twenty Ish Pounds bigger um but it was also a show where four hundred pound odyssey jones had matches. So um.

23:56.63
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

24:04.57
Matt
You know we we we played fast and loose with those cruiser weight rules. But while while we’re on rampage Dustin Rhodes man that guy what 5 decades of doing this crap and he still just puts on just beautiful.

24:06.86
Jeremy
Yeah, um, yeah.

24:21.38
Jeremy
Are we talking about battle the belts. Yeah yeah, so I think yeah me me too actually? um so ah to finish off rampage. We now had another hook match was Aaron Solo

24:23.46
Matt
Beautiful. Oh that was battle of the belts wasn’t it I I watched it all at the same time. It’s.

24:38.77
Jeremy
I think you mentioned that you were worried about him getting stuck in nightmare factory hell which is possible. But I think it’s just another opportunity to put him in a safe match against essentially his people. He’s already trained with ah like I’m assuming well I don’t think bear Bronson trained there but I’m assuming that he’s had some kind of warm ups with him and stuff as well.

24:48.96
Matt
Yeah.

24:58.22
Jeremy
Um, so it wouldd be nice to see him against someone that’s ah you know a coal or or even somebody big like like Dustin Rhodes would be a cool way to to see like him handle that challenge. Um, and then we had a tag tag match thing was hater and ah. Britt Baker versus rijo in I forget who is joining Rio.

25:23.91
Matt
I Can’t remember either.

25:26.25
Jeremy
Either way. Um I’m pretty sure weho won yeah because of them then with then we get to battle the belt. So so Cody tested positive for or at least has had close contact with someone with with covid so he um.

25:30.47
Matt
Yeah.

25:44.24
Jeremy
Was not able to perform on battle the belts. He not cleared. So ah, we wish ah him a quick and speedy recovery as well as Matt Jackson or anyone else that has has gotten it or will probably get it in the next month especially wrestling and going through all those airports and all that stuff. Um, but so we had Dustin Rhodes and Sammy Guvara going for the interim t n t title which just.

26:09.60
Matt
Which which was I thought was a bit peculiar like how how fucking long is he going to have to isolate that we need an interim champion. Um.

26:17.61
Jeremy
Yeah.

26:25.41
Matt
That that was that was a strange a strange twist there I mean let them have this match just because you know Sammy’s supposed to be on the card. Give the people that paid to go to Charlotte something? Um, but that that why would we need an interim champion.

26:37.26
Jeremy
Yeah.

26:44.59
Matt
Um, he’d be gone for like two weeks tops unless he gets hospitalized and like then you can do an interim champion or just strip him of the belt. Um, but yeah, do Dustin and and Sammy for like number 1 contender or something.

26:54.60
Jeremy
Yeah, but yeah.

27:02.74
Matt
Unless they they were just hellbent to get to this sammy versus the hell is that kid’s name Garcia ah I guess they were just hellbent to get to that match. Um, so I I don’t know that that felt a little weird. Um that.

27:08.67
Jeremy
Yeah, Danny Garcia yeah

27:17.34
Jeremy
I think I think maybe just because it’s literally called battle the belts They didn’t want it to not be for a belt possibly.

27:26.50
Matt
I Mean they’ve got they’ve got other champions that could have filled the void then.

27:31.17
Jeremy
I mean I thought it was like a I think the tbs championship should have been on this Saturday card. Ah or or the tag match. Um, you know one of those should have been.

27:41.56
Matt
I guess but because it’s the first special event tnt show that they’re going to do I guess they had to put that belt on there. Um, but I mean t n t even has to know like card subject to change. Um.

27:48.54
Jeremy
Um, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

28:00.65
Matt
In a way that isn’t just peculiar as shit so who knows.

28:03.22
Jeremy
Um, and I guess the argument against having the tbs championship on on that show. Is you want it on the first tbs show or you want the tbs show championship on the first Tbs night that makes sense to crown it then.

28:20.44
Matt
Well yeah, but I mean her first defense could have easily been three days later I every every match she’s had except for that Ruby Soho match has been a squash anyway. So.

28:22.48
Jeremy
So to not move it. Yeah yeah, yeah.

28:32.50
Jeremy
Yeah.

28:35.24
Matt
At least that you put you put a ah different championship up for battle of the belts. So I don’t.

28:38.49
Jeremy
Yeah, um, and then we had ah fd fdw championship ah Ricky Starks defending against Matt Sideel um you know it was a good fun match. Ah, it was nice to see Ricky Starks actually wrestle I don’t feel like I see that very often. Um, but you know again also retained the championship. Um, and then we had reho versus brit baker and I don’t know and maybe it’s too early but I kind of feel like I wanted. I felt like this show would have felt like a bigger deal to me. Maybe I just don’t like love reho like some people will do. But if it was Thunder Rosa versus Brit Baker I feel like this would have been ah ah, ah a main event worthy of a network special.

29:29.60
Matt
Yeah, um I I’m I don’t know there. There’s something about riho that I know she’s good at what she does. She’s just so small that none of it’s believable. Um, and I know I’m supposed to suspend Disbe Beliefef It’s professional wrestling. Um.

29:42.80
Jeremy
M.

29:49.20
Matt
But are you getting the impression that that the first shot that Jamie Hader gets she’s the one that’s taken this belt because they are definitely building in that damn direction. Um.

29:56.91
Jeremy
Yeah, patent. Yeah, it’s either that or it’s it’s it’s sun Rosa like the the 2 of them are the only only legitimate. Ah I think Jamie Hater might be a ah challenger I don’t know if she’s gonna be the one to take it from her. We’ll we’ll see um, it might just be another champion. Another um.

30:13.29
Matt
Yeah.

30:21.58
Jeremy
Way to get to prolong because we’re not doing um revolution until March so you know they made any another challenger for brit baker between now and now and March to kind of like hold off thunder Rosa um, so yeah, we’ll see. But yeah, it was a weird.

30:30.38
Matt
Yeah.

30:39.48
Jeremy
Network special. Maybe it’ll be less weird when we’re back in and one day non covered times I don’t know if that’ll ever happen. But at least not in the middle of a surge Hopefully the next time we do one of these network specials and it might not derail it.

30:53.10
Matt
Yeah.

30:56.50
Jeremy
But it’s just ah, it’s just weird. That’s just an hour to I don’t know if you call it a special. It just does only an hour just seems seems strange less shorter than a dynamite I don’t know.

31:05.40
Matt
Yeah, and that was an awful lot of championship matches to cram into an hour um and I thought the the Ricky Starks Matt Sideel match was was was pretty damn awesome. Um I like getting to see Matt Sideel wrestle Ricky Starks is incredibly talented.

31:09.76
Jeremy
Yeah.

31:18.28
Jeremy
Yeah.

31:24.96
Matt
And I I like that that belt got defended. Um, there’s no point in having a belt if you’re not out there. You can’t have a canva fight the world championship If you’re not fighting the world Essentially um so it was good to see the belt get defended. Ah.

31:26.25
Jeremy
Um, yeah.

31:35.50
Jeremy
Ah, it.

31:43.42
Matt
Taz sort of spoiled the ending about 3 quarterters of the way in on commentary when he said it’d be nice if that belt stays with team tazz. Ah, but yeah I thought it was great that that those 2 guys got to got to just have ah a good you know wrestling match. It didn’t have a ton of build or anything.

31:48.45
Jeremy
Um, yeah.

32:00.96
Jeremy
Yeah, although I so I will like at some point I would love someone else to win the Ftw championship That’s not in team has and then Tas has to angrily commentate on that and the match like the competitor.

32:02.79
Matt
Um, so that was cool. Um.

32:19.24
Jeremy
Where it’s this being defended against like just some random like nobody as well that that would be fun eventually. Yeah and John Silvervan and this is like he’ll defend it against QTMarshall or something like that like Taz you.

32:26.36
Matt
We’re going to put that belt on John Silver Let’s do that.

32:33.20
Matt
And Johnny Hunk Johnny Hungy is going to start calling it the feed the world championship or fudge the world.

32:38.29
Jeremy
Um, man. Ah.

32:45.82
Matt
That’ll that would do it so he could He could go back into his feud with coal. It’ll be the fudge the world championship.

32:48.27
Jeremy
Um, ah man well ah, what do we get? Do we got we? so we got roll rumble a little bit down the road. Um I think this week we have a sheeta versus d four. Um. Ah, it’s mother like oh like see and punk versus wardlow is happening this week which you know I’m I’m at least happy to see wardlow wrestle. Ah I did oh so there was I think this was this week but that the whole backstage segment with um with punk where ah punk. Pulls out the contract with wardlow and he wants him to win the championship or the t t and t title so he can ah thus give it to mjf. Ah because it’s apparently in his contract I give props to warlow I’ve never seen someone like like hold in the urge to murder somebody that was the look on his face. And that that was that was good I liked it and they just this. Yeah.

33:46.50
Matt
Yeah I’m as as the fjf wardlow relationship falls apart I’m I’m I’m just curious. Ah I’m mostly interested to see who gets custody of spears when it’s also for um because I.

33:58.73
Jeremy
Yeah.

34:03.48
Matt
I feel like wardlow’s irritated with him too. But Spears follows wardlow around like a puppy dog. Um, but yeah I’m not thrilled about the fact that I’ll I’ll have to see wardlow lose to see emunk. Um.

34:08.00
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah.

34:17.60
Matt
But it it will be nice to see wardlow in another non squash match where the the guy just gets the shit beat out of him with a chair as soon as the match is over Um, but if he starts the power Bomb train on Punk I’m going to pop like hell for it. Um, because that.

34:24.73
Jeremy
Um, yeah, ah. No further.

34:35.30
Matt
I Mean watching watching him in inwineette that that night where I was at dynamite where the crowd was just like egging him on to keep power bombing that dude and he was just like all right? What? Ah, that’s like I’m I’m here for this this guy going going off plan and just.

34:46.38
Jeremy
Yeah.

34:55.90
Matt
Destroying this dude for no real reason.

34:56.69
Jeremy
Oh so we’re gonna so we’ll we’ll end here with ah some some crazy news forbidden door impact the nexus of the forbidden door we have Mickey James the impact knockouts champion will be joining the royal rumble um, on. Ah, at what whenever the end of the month or whatever it is. Um I think that’s pretty I think it’s pretty cool I think this would have been I mean props of Pat Mcafee for how he announced it reverencing the the ah the trash bag ah situation. Um, but man.

35:17.51
Matt
Yeah.

35:35.49
Jeremy
I would love for her of just showing up at the rumble with no no because it’s not like oh man, someone’s like her hearing Mickey James got booked for that match and she’s like oh man I got a I gonna I got to subscribe to peacock so I can watch the royal rumble now.

35:49.62
Matt
Um I the the only reason I think that that they’re they’re justified is that impact probably wanted that out because the story’s going to include that hard to kill is this Saturday this ah next saturday.

35:51.73
Jeremy
That’s not happening but it would have been a cool surprise.

36:05.75
Jeremy
Yeah.

36:09.27
Matt
So it at least gets a little bit of free press for that show. Um, but watching I watched smackdown this morning and they gave it all away. Don’t tell me a month in advance that lead is going to show up in the rumble I mean or the bellas.

36:11.94
Jeremy
Yeah.

36:23.11
Jeremy
Yeah.

36:27.45
Matt
Who I thought have have been going to turn up any number of times here lately? Um Michelle Mccool got announced. Um they I mean they gave it all away. Ah like I I get the mickey James one um I don’t get why Mickey James agreed to do this after her.

36:37.34
Jeremy
Yeah.

36:47.38
Matt
Her Ah, best of luck in your future endeavors came with a hefty bag full of her shit. But um because I sure as hell wouldn’t have um I’d have told him to to shove it? Um, but or then again, maybe she’s just going to go super hardcore.

36:52.50
Jeremy
Yeah.

37:04.76
Matt
On this thing and just not show up. Um I would I I wouldn’t I wouldn’t blame her I mean I know that there’s probably an awful lot of Zeros on this check and it made it worth it for. But.

37:08.46
Jeremy
Um, I So yeah.

37:20.55
Jeremy
Yeah, so I do wonder what impact’s getting in this big. You know you could say the same thing with the a w forbidden door really but like when last time W W wanted something from impact they wanted Rick Flair

37:22.75
Matt
I Don’t know.

37:37.28
Jeremy
For the horseman I think for the the hall of fame and in order to do that to get impact contracted wrestler Rick flair. They basically traded them. Ah Christian and that’s the genesis of christians like impact run. So I’m kind of wondering is is there some kind of quit pro quo here. Are they giving them a infusion of money like there’s got to be something I mean beyond. Yeah.

37:59.73
Matt
Maybe maybe some of that because nxt is flush with women. Um that gets 0 screen time whatsoever. Um I think like last night we were talking about the rumble and how it.

38:06.38
Jeremy
Um.

38:16.52
Matt
Mickey James is probably just a product of them not having enough women to fill the 30 Um I mean there’s there’s easily fifteen twenty women at nxt and you only ever see 3 of them. Um, maybe they’re because i.

38:27.63
Jeremy
Ah, yeah.

38:33.51
Matt
You know trying to trying to think through it from the impact shows. We’ve watched there’s there’s not a lot of women over there that I can I can just think of off top of my head outside of um, they’re not the iconics anymore. Um, whatever, whatever they are inspiration. Um.

38:47.40
Jeremy
Inspiration.

38:51.73
Matt
You know you got perrazo Mickey James um those a couple of those tag teams. Um, but there’s there’s not a ton of women over there. Um, so who knows maybe Mickey James

38:56.98
Jeremy
Ah, rosemary.

39:05.34
Jeremy
Um.

39:10.30
Matt
Because I know she she spent a little bit of time in the performance center. Maybe she just got to like cherry pick some new female talent to come over so that she’s got somebody to work with um who knows I would be okay with it because there’s there’s a lot of talent down there that they’re doing nothing with um, the fact that you.

39:16.30
Jeremy
Yeah, okay.

39:25.77
Jeremy
Yeah.

39:29.37
Matt
I mean Kaylee Rays on tv like every six weeks Dakota Kai lost that street fight to to rael gonzale so she’ll probably disappear for another six weeks um just just tons of them down there that that they have nothing to do.

39:45.92
Jeremy
And with all this mickey James talk brought out our friend moose who basically now is is like I claim to be the wrestling god he claims to be the head of the table with all this forbidden talk what? if and then he tags Roman reigns.

40:04.78
Matt
I I’m here for it. Um, maybe moose turns up in the rumble. Um, that would be awesome. Um, but yeah, they were I read something today that with this.

40:05.36
Jeremy
Let’s make this happen. Let’s just do it.

40:11.21
Jeremy
Yeah.

40:20.65
Matt
This deal with Wwe W and then after hard to kill where the ring of honor belt will be defended. Um, impact has legitimately broker deals like this with every wre every major wrestling company in the world. Um, which is which is nuts. Um.

40:24.86
Jeremy
On.

40:31.52
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

40:37.27
Matt
Because they are. They’re certainly not flush with cash to do so and they’re the ones that get it done though I I wouldn’t be surprised if we if we get more of this It would be cool to see you know Josh alexander turn up in the in the rumble. Um, if we could see him. Toe to toe with gable that’d probably be awesome. Um, you know they they got a ton of guys. Maybe maybe they’re they’re buying out Morrissey’s contract maybe that’s what the deal is here because you know you know they’re overpaying him e c three and stroman are going to invade the rumble.

40:55.75
Jeremy
No.

41:07.12
Jeremy
Yeah, and yeah, and the crazy thing is the crazy thing is ah we’re talking about ah this all the stuff we talked about in this shit entire show. We have not once mentioned.

41:14.60
Matt
Oh my God that sounds a wholesome.

41:25.96
Jeremy
Wrestle Kingdom because big Beyond shabbbata coming back after a career and like we was handicappped for a while couldn’t walk because he had a what a hematoma in his brain or something like that like like it was very scary. He almost died ah him coming back is the only real news that I.

41:37.54
Matt
Um, yeah.

41:45.66
Matt
Yeah, yeah.

41:45.96
Jeremy
Particularly heard from from that show which is which is sad so I’m hoping that new Japan can kind of really reclaim that in the next year and kind of really get back to what we used to know.

41:53.58
Matt
I I didn’t I didn’t see anything about wresell kingdom that didn’t have will Osprey’s name on it and at that point I was like I don’t care so and that’s that’s sad because I know Ocado was mentioned in one of those articles I was like ah I mean if it’s just osprey.

41:59.83
Jeremy
No, ah.

42:07.86
Jeremy
Yeah.

42:12.45
Matt
I mean I know he I know he’s good in the ring but like don’t I don’t like that dude.

42:16.50
Jeremy
Yeah man and in an effort to stay positive. We’re gonna end the podcast here. Ah thanks, so you take it away. Matt.

42:26.10
Matt
I mean that was that was me being positive about it I could I could have really gone down the rabbit hole. But again like subscribe share ring the bell milk the cow. Whatever whatever, all those things that are along the bottom of the video on Youtube are ah subscribe on. On Spotify Apple Podcast wherever you get your podcasts that we are available. Um I try to I pad our numbers so I subscribe on two different ones. Let’s see watch wrestling be more positive about it. I know there’s a but ah bunch of bad.

42:49.58
Jeremy
Oh.

43:03.44
Matt
But for the love of God you keep watching it Anyway, find the good in it. There’s no sense in torturing yourself if you don’t like it turn the shit off. So but yeah, like subscribe we appreciate you listening and we will see you next time.

43:05.63
Jeremy
Yeah, like yeah.

43:16.94
Jeremy
All right.