Sole Survivor

The “future endeavors” surprised us again this week, Matt continues to struggle with whether his viewership makes him a bad person in light of the cuts, Jeremy applauds The Butcher’s commitment to his commitments, and The Dark Match duo predicts a probably predictable Survivor Series PPV (our picks are pretty much identical). Where’s Dolph Ziggler when you need him?

Transcript

00:00.00
Jeremy
So if you gotten some sleep. He managed to get any sleep.

00:00.85
Matt
Yeah, yeah, it hadn’t been too bad I um, unfortunately um, you know I got home Wednesday and and powered through like a trooper I woke up Thursday morning with what seemed like ah flu symptoms. Um.

00:16.92
Jeremy
Oh no.

00:19.59
Matt
Yeah, no I I barely moved all day Thursday and Friday um, ah tons of N quill though. So I’ve slept like a champ um, feeling much better. Um, you know felt felt a lot better yesterday morning um feel a good bit better today. Just you know a little groggy.

00:26.50
Jeremy
Ah.

00:39.38
Matt
Ah, all the the only thing that’s left is mostly um congestion. So the fever is gone I have I have gotten to go had to take 2 days away which sucked I couldn’t couldn’t go to the hospital with flu-like symptoms. So but yeah.

00:53.15
Jeremy
Right.

00:57.23
Matt
Left the door open for me to catch up on all of our favorite pastime professional wrestling sports entertainment I’ve watched everything. The only thing the only thing right now that I have not watched is last night’s turning point event.

00:59.48
Jeremy
Um, well yeah, what did you watch? What did you catch up on.

01:17.40
Matt
And I’ll probably get through most of it here shortly since I’m feeling better I am going to try to exercise today so that I’ll give me something to watch um, watched I’ve seen raw Nxt smackdown dynamite and rampage caught. Little bits of impacts twitch from this week didn’t see much of anything that mattered mostly just you know teaser set up for the paper view. Um, but yeah, all caught up. So let’s let’s do this thing.

01:37.89
Jeremy
Oh.

01:50.95
Jeremy
Well I guess let’s just say any any highlights that kind of jumped out at you because we’re really going to talk about survivor series which is a little bit later today. Anything kind of jumped out on all the all the wrestling that you watch this week

02:04.88
Matt
Yeah I really wish I I could I could point directly to the wrestling itself. Um, but truthfully I got I got to talk about the the ever ever growing elephant in the room that is the fact that we have we’ve cut. Yet again from the wwb roster um, everything that happened this week to me was completely overshadowed by the fact that John morrison was brought back turned into a comedy act where he squirted people with water guns disappeared to I assume. Catering when the miz got hurt and left to do dancing with the stars and has now been cut um alongside his wife who was also cut completely baffled by why you why you bring up all of hitro to 2 weeks later cut them. Because I may be wrong, but I’m pretty sure. There’s a pay raise that goes along with coming to the main roster. Um, so now you’ve got Ninety days of paying them more than you would have you could have just cut them in nxt and they had a thirty day lower pay non-compete. Um.

03:07.10
Jeremy
Um, yeah.

03:22.69
Matt
Just just baffled continue to be baffled um and I I cannot wait for Johnny dynamite to appear on Tbs in January february whenever it finally happens. Ah I just just start putting belts on him and.

03:37.70
Jeremy
I hope.

03:42.40
Matt
Every promotion that exists just to remind them.

03:44.82
Jeremy
I hope he doesn’t actually sign I hope he just ah, um, just you know forbid door and he peers everywhere but he does his his naming ah thing where so he’s johnny impact he’s Johnny rampage he’s ah he’s johnny dynamite.

03:51.69
Matt
Yeah, yeah.

03:59.66
Matt
Um, I just Johnny japan sounds awesome. So yeah I you know there was there was some good. You know it’s it’s roman and and xavier woods working together and they’ve been. They’ve been doing good good for a while now. Um.

04:04.79
Jeremy
Yeah.

04:13.33
Jeremy
Yeah, um.

04:19.10
Matt
You Roman still kills it so that as much as I want to say you know that enough is enough I’m going to stop watching I I don’t know where the where the line is um because I don’t want to stop watching all the good that Romans doing.

04:30.60
Jeremy
Yeah.

04:37.54
Matt
I Don’t want to stop watching the the bits and pieces of raw that I get that are Enjoyable. You know I I do I Love to see what what they’re doing with Bobby Lashley each week like he’s wildly entertaining to me now and I love that it it. It is um. Arc K bro I Still love them. Um, and then I’m not that until 1 of these release lists has Ch is name on it. I’m not going to stop watching Nxt. It’s like it it it hurts to do it because I know it’s super shitty.

05:13.25
Jeremy
Yeah.

05:15.20
Matt
Um, the way they’re the way they’re doing all these people but that’s what I’m I’m I’m troubled trying to find that fine line of when do when is enough enough that you know I need to just quit watching it. Um. Is it when they sell it to like a real estate conglomerate like the braves did with when aol made ted turner sell it is is that the moment that I finally like you know I’m out I’m out to let me know in a decade when you’re ready to win a world series but till then I’m I’m out of here.

05:37.32
Jeremy
Here.

05:51.51
Jeremy
Man. so yeah so I my my question is so someone like Jenny gargano who is coming up his his contract ends here in the next month I think we know what? what? Kevin owens is doing. It seems.

05:53.46
Matt
Or shit. No, that’s like 22 years but so

06:09.89
Jeremy
Kind of obvious the way they he is even posted stuff that basically implied that he’s going to go join ah his friends over at aw um, but someone like Argano is an interesting situation I do think someone like somewhere like impact with urms I impact. Um. Aw would definitely want to use them. He definitely has history with the bucks as does his wife. Um, you know that brutal tag team match. She has with with a blood all over her face like that’s that was against a young bucks with a with a participant we won’t name as a partner. Um. But on 1 hand you can go to this other organization. That’s really taking you know wrestling a little bit more seriously but maybe getting a little little full little stacked certain people like Adam cole proves that you can just kind of waltz right in there and be at the top of the card. But that’s you know. Certain people I think Gargano is 1 of those people that would be heavily fee featured on the other hand you got sean michaels who is your favorite wrestler basically wanting like trying to convince you to stay and. Well, it’s it’s sex that you’ve watched some of your friends and and colleagues like lose their jobs over the last ah last year for like dumb reasons like you still have your idol telling you like oh man, you should stick around like we we can you know work together and stuff. Like what would you do? I don’t I don’t even know I I mean I I I think you know logically I would I would jump I would I would make that jump but like I think that’s I think it would be a hard decision for gugano and I almost kind of feel like he’s staying at nxt.

07:56.40
Matt
But there’s ah, there’s a combination of things at kind of at play for me 1 I I listened to to both the talk is jericho and the oral sessions podcasts with Adam cole.

08:01.86
Jeremy
Yeah.

08:16.40
Matt
And 1 big thing that he kept saying was that all Sean Michaels would say to him was you know as much as I would love for you to stay here I Want you to do what you know in your heart is right for you and I think that’s exactly what he’d tell Gargano now on the other hand i. I Don’t know I I think there’s a there’s a point where where I tell myself? No, This isn’t This isn’t exactly like the the the best place to be right now and it’s a little.. It’s a little nerve raking not know not knowing when you’re going to be on the cut list. But in the meantime.

08:51.43
Jeremy
Yeah.

08:55.84
Matt
Ah, just keep cashing those damn ww checks when they they put you in the ninety day noncompete. They’ve got to pay you through it keep cashing ninety days worth of those paychecks and then go do what makes you happy? Um i.

09:04.23
Jeremy
Yeah.

09:13.64
Matt
I think there’s there’s there’s a whole lot at at at play there. Maybe it’s just me maybe he could find a way to like strategically work out his release where that ninety day non-compete was like right as she gives birth and.

09:27.91
Jeremy
Yeah.

09:31.76
Matt
And then he could get ninety days of paid paternity leave out of him. Um, but you know I I don’t know I think he he’s a wrestling purist and at at heart he wants to perform he is He is still 1 of the the rare few that does get. Pretty well-crafted creative. Um, so I don’t think that that he’s got to be terribly upset in terms of where he is workwise. Um, the the bigot the bigger thing for him has got to be just the never Knowing. Um.

09:51.89
Jeremy
Yeah.

10:10.12
Matt
That taller younger bigger guy Edict It’s it’s coming for him and it’s coming for champa and hell it’s probably coming for Cameron grimes because he’s he’s not. He’s not like a meathead I mean you got all these guys that are just just killer.

10:14.43
Jeremy
Yeah.

10:28.81
Matt
Killer damn wrestlers that that would would tear it up wherever else they ended up but you know I mean but at least the 3 of them are getting. Yeah I mean they get plenty of tv time gargano still getting all the the Dexter loomis you know.

10:33.87
Jeremy
Yeah.

10:47.84
Matt
Story crafted around him in the way I I don’t know I think truthfully unless unless he just he just desperately wants to go work with Aew. Um I I kind of think that it it. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to stay put.

11:07.20
Jeremy
Um, yeah I think I think he likes where he is even though like I I kind of remind him remind myself like back in the like 2008 kind of crisis and all that stuff like I was at a. Magazine company a big magazine company and they were shuttering those things left and right and although I was in a kind of a division that was like safe from it from those cuts like it’s still like it was like oh like I could be next I could be next I could be on the chopping block. So I understand that feeling some.

11:40.42
Matt
There.

11:43.62
Jeremy
Um I I do actually have some some highlights of things that I enjoyed this week so I enjoyed ah jay lethal versus sammy guvara I thought they had excellent chemistry. Um, and ah I enjoyed seeing billy gunn on.

11:53.28
Matt
Excellent match. Excellent man.

12:03.43
Jeremy
Television like on not not on Youtube like on actual tv it was a it was a fun match and I was not really expecting it to be ah as fun as it was and then ah that elite versus jurassic express or or the bobby or really undisputed era versus a. Jurassic at express was also pretty fun I enjoyed that. Um.

12:24.30
Matt
Yeah, the that the J Lethal match was fantastic. There. There’s 5 or 6 other guys and I I can’t even remember who all I listed in that that message I sent you when I was watching that 1 that I I Just want to see him have matches with now it’s. Yeah, it was. It was great seeing Billy Gunn on Tv The man still puts on a show and yes fifty eight years old still built like a brick wall We. We won’t question. You know, natural or non-natural. Um, but yeah, still.

12:47.19
Jeremy
Fifty 8

13:02.40
Matt
Still kills it. He’s he’s an entertainer and he has been. We looked it up during that match because my mom was curious how long he’d been wrestling he and sting both debuted in 1980 five so they they have been in the business as just right alongside each other.

13:13.58
Jeremy
Wow.

13:20.94
Matt
since since I was born. Basically so that’s kind of nuts that that the man is still putting on a show like that. Um, other thing I really loved um, not only did daniel brian cut like ah I’m I’m gonna murder all your friends promo.

13:37.68
Jeremy
Oh yeah.

13:39.36
Matt
Ah, he he went ahead and got the party started. Um, best part of the match to me was when he looked into the crowd and said I’m about to kick his fucking head in and then did it. Ah I was like okay okay, he’s taking the turn now I’m not I’m not getting the Eco warrior yes man.

13:47.30
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah.

13:59.23
Matt
At all. At this point he’s out there to to kick heads in and now he is on the the road to killing every member of the dark order in their hometown. So This is great. It’s gonna it like like we said the other day when we were. Were talking I don’t remember if it was on the podcast or in text. Um, you know the the dark order guys keep eating eating losses really, it feels like you know the dark order is is some sort of bizarro version of mortal combat where you got to fight your way through each 1 of them to get to hangman.

14:29.96
Jeremy
5

14:35.29
Matt
Um, but I mean it. Yeah, they’re eating all these losses but they’re putting on fantastic matches and I just consistently and am more and more impressed with each of these guys I I haven’t gotten to see colt cabanna wrestle as much as you know you or. You know Michelle friend of the podcast um have so I’m really looking forward to the col cobanna danielson match in Chicago this week but those guys are awesome. Silver is just a Showman um, you know Allen angels continues to kill it. Evil uno had a great 1 this week like I’m I’m ah ah like I’m not I’m not going to start. You know, throwing up the hand or buying the join dark order shirt or anything mostly because they all come in black. But. These guys are they continue to impress and I love that they’re getting this much tv time.

15:31.90
Jeremy
Well based off of peoples homes towns we have colle cabanna next week in Chicago if if we go by the danielson I’m going to murder you in your hometown situation. Alllan angels is next in ah in georgia and then followed by john silver. Ah, in long island so like that’ll that that looks like that the trajectory that’s going to happen. Um, 1 thing I’m looking forward to is colt said that ah you know colt and daniel bryan have a lot of history together and including the fact that he was the co-star with.

15:49.70
Matt
Nice.

16:07.30
Jeremy
Cult in this wrestling road diaries thing that they did ah back in the mid 2000 s back when they were both kind of indie guys just going on the road. So ah, colt said he he ah he gave aw permission to use any of that. So I hope they I hope they cut together some cool video package that like uses some of that old. Old footage I think that’d be pretty cool. Um, but yeah, I’m I’m definitely looking forward to that and I’m also definitely looking forward to watching turning point and seeing this ah brutal match between eddie edwards and and them and Moose um, the clips I’ve seen so far. I didn’t watch it live but the clips I’ve seen seem pretty ridiculous, especially for a like a non major show like they just kind of just just did all this stuff this crazy stuff. That’s always crazy to me. So.

16:57.95
Matt
Yeah, the the the Sunset flip power bum off the off the ladder through a ladder that that was frigging nuts that was Kevin owens level craziness. Um, yeah, no I for those for those listening there were not. There were zero title changes.

17:02.84
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah.

17:17.63
Matt
Ah, turning point but based off the Clips Moose and Eddie Edwards definitely put on a show so we’ll be watching that here shortly.

17:25.39
Jeremy
Yeah, all right? Well let’s talk about survivor series. You know whoever’s left it W W is it’s going to be in this show I guess.

17:33.21
Matt
Yeah charlotte flair will be taking on Roman reigns in a 3 and a half hour match to determine the it’s a winner takes all so this will this will determine who holds all nine belts between the 2 of them since so the only 2 people still employed.

17:50.90
Jeremy
Um, man I think I think what we’re Goingnna have to do you know I normally like using moose ah images for his podcast. But I think this isnt light everything I got to use that image that you sent me with the doctored fresh prince bellier the empty house with Roman just standing there with a belt. I think that’s what we had to use for this ah this episode um so what do you got? what? What are some of these matches that we’ve got on this ah this card

18:16.99
Matt
All right for for some reason they have added a twenty five man battle royal match to this card. Not real short. Yeah oh so the wood.

18:24.67
Jeremy
50 man is for 25 years of the rock or since the rocks debut so that’s why.

18:36.65
Matt
all right? all right we put a whole lot of thought into that 1 Ah gender maha wins. We’ll just we’ll just bypass this um gender ma je.

18:45.73
Jeremy
Um, I’m gonna go with shankky because I like saying shaankky.

18:50.40
Matt
Gender mahal who now has nothing to do because he’s still employed and the guys that he’s been rap battle feuding with discount fired this is like the third straight round of cuts where the people that gender mahal has been involved in a feud with have been the ones on the chopping block. Um, yeah.

19:05.93
Jeremy
Ah, damn.

19:09.31
Matt
Think the only 1 he’s feuded with that hasn’t been fired is Jeff hardy and that’s only because they don’t want to let jeff hardy team back up with Matt all right? We have ah the women’s survivor series match team smack down will be sasha shaa basler shotsy. Natalia and tony storm team raw bianca ria ripley live morgan carmella and Zelina vega.

19:36.60
Jeremy
So are we sure they’re not going to like remove some people and change out have some matches and a pre show to like change out the teams completely to to eliminate even more stakes from this match.

19:45.16
Matt
Um I I feel like they have kind of they’ve kind of cleared all of the the little hurdles because as of as of last night Tony storm was the last piece that got got shuffled I can’t remember it.

19:53.49
Jeremy
Yeah, gay.

20:03.14
Matt
I don’t think it was Naomi but it it would make sense storyline wise for sonja to have replaced Naomi with tony storm. Um, but yeah I think you know in our that this match means absolutely nothing showdown. I think I think these are the these are the pieces that are in place still a little weird that ria ripley’s ah, tag team champion partner is not part of her team. But.

20:29.53
Jeremy
Ah, she’s probably gonna get caught next week and then you know there’s yes, um, let’s see ah I don’t I mean like on 1 hand I was just like my my gut was telling me.

20:32.38
Matt
Yeah, yeah, oh so Ria will just single handedly have to defend the bells.

20:48.94
Jeremy
Team smack down because it had tony storm on it but then you know like lib morgans has some success recently and then re Ripley and bianca bell air on the un team raw makes a little hard but I I guess maybe I’ll go with my gut team smackdown.

21:01.20
Matt
Sounds like a sounds like a good enough prediction. Um I have no idea honestly I some part of me thinks that team Raw gets the.

21:15.65
Jeremy
Yeah.

21:15.72
Matt
Survivor series wins so that team smackbound can win all the the champion champion matches without pissing off usa network plus I I it’s it’s weird because I’ve watched her lose her last like eighty seven matches. But. You know they they still keep pushing bianca bell air to the moon. Even though she’s she loses at every turn lately. So I’ll take raw here ah min.

21:43.27
Jeremy
Um, ah so ah so 1 more more thing so I’m going to say natalia is going to be the first eliminated um and then ah I’m going to go with banks being the sole survivor.

21:59.30
Matt
Well hell I’m gonna I’m gonna flip my prediction I think it’s gonna be a dolf ziggler situation natalia is gonna single handedly eliminate all of team raw to win this thing so I’m picking natalia to Soulle survivors.

22:05.38
Jeremy
Oh My God All right. Ah.

22:19.00
Matt
Just run the table. Let’s get that doll Zigler ending in here all right, Men’s survivor series match smack down is bringing Drew mcintyre jeff hardy king woods.

22:23.42
Jeremy
All right.

22:36.17
Matt
Happy Corbin ah and shamemus that happy corbin thing just and done sit Well ah Team Raw will be ah Seth Rollins Finn Baller Kevin owens.

22:40.96
Jeremy
Seamus. Yeah.

22:53.68
Matt
Bobby Lashley and Austin theory.

22:55.36
Jeremy
Um, so I’m going to say the first eliminate is Goingnna be happy corbin just with the gimmick its it seems like he’s got to be the first to go. Um I my my guy on this 1 tells me team ros so I’m going to go team raw on this 1

23:05.47
Matt
I’m good with that.

23:14.66
Jeremy
Um, with.

23:20.90
Jeremy
Lashley being the sole survivor.

23:23.60
Matt
It’s not a bad not a bad 1 I don’t think they’ll be a soul survivor this time. Ah, but I I know I see I do see team raw getting the win here I think bobby lashley and austin theory are the last 2 standing

23:26.44
Jeremy
Ah, you think it’d be a ah blowout.

23:36.78
Jeremy
M.

23:40.64
Matt
They they had some some some chemistry on Tv The other night I wouldn’t mind seeing Austin Theory’s goofy ass as a part of the hurt business I mean he physically he fits I mean complexion wise not so much., But ah I. I Don’t know I think it could be awesome if they started teaming together Austin Theory kind of he needs like that like he almost needs like an arcade Arc K bro type situation where he needs a real serious partner to work with to to help get him kind of over.

24:02.30
Jeremy
Yeah.

24:20.11
Matt
So yeah I think team Raw Lashley and theory are left standing then go ahead. We will move into the champion versus champion matches What you got.

24:24.65
Jeremy
Um, oh yeah, go you got it out all right? We’re gonna start with Arc Cap Ro versuss the usos is that when we start with um.

24:37.53
Matt
Yeah, we we can go with that 1

24:43.75
Jeremy
I’m just gonna straight up say ah usos are gonna take this 1 yeah.

24:46.84
Matt
It we the ones the blood the bloodline reign supreme on this show. We might as well just go ahead and knock out biggie roman reigns here. Um yeah, the blood the bloodline’s gonna clean sweep those 2 matches there’s there’s no way they don’t.

25:01.79
Jeremy
You have.

25:06.67
Matt
Um, because if if the usos lose to Arcque bro Roman is probably going to come out at the end of that match and just what both their asses now I’m I’m not ready for that yet. Ah.

25:16.73
Jeremy
And even if we did you know despite all the rumors and this the filming schedules and all that even if the rock did show up at this payview. It’s going to be after he he defeats Roman Defeats Biggie It’s not even it’s not going to be like oh distraction and then. Biggie Wins even though this doesn’t Matter. He’s not going to.. He’s not going to beat him. So So yeah.

25:38.59
Matt
Yeah, right? That’s got our our 2 pretty much guaranteed Smackdown wins down we have intercontinental champion Shinske Nakaura with Rick Boogs. Taking on Damian priest.

25:57.87
Jeremy
I Think this could be the match of the night. Yeah loki like I think I think there’ll be some other stupid things that happen other matches that people talk about but I think this will be like in ring. Best match of the.

26:02.99
Matt
I’m I’m not going to disagree with you.

26:17.14
Jeremy
But the best match to the show. Um I think you know I think it could go either way I’m going to go I’m gonna go with a priest on this I think we’re you know it’s going to be a fun match. But I think ah I think priest is going to eke out the win here.

26:31.77
Matt
Yeah I do too. Um I I think this is gonna be the the clean win that Raw gets. There’s gonna be priest going over. He’s they’ve just they’ve been doing so good and and God Bless diedjakovvik.

26:38.88
Jeremy
M.

26:51.37
Matt
Because he has he has taken some beatings and put in some work to make priest look like the the beast champion that he is Now. So I think that he you see some more of that that new intensity that he’s been showing and I think this is gonna be the the 1 here. Because we get. We’ll get into the women’s matches. There’s There’s no world where that match gets a clean ending not with all of this extra shit. That’s that’s on top of it Ra gets their clean win in this match and it is It is most definitely. Probably going to be the best part of this show.

27:30.16
Jeremy
Yeah, all right? The elephant in the room charlotte flair versus Becky lynch this is so weird I don’t know. Yeah.

27:39.12
Matt
I still want I want to find out that it’s all a work that they I mean they got everybody riled up all the dirt sheet riders got you know a month worth of of crap to speculate on and pretend they had inside tracks about I I just. Monday morning I want like a photo to surface where they’re like cheersing each other with margaritas celebrating the fact that they got this work over on all of us. Um, that said this match will not get a clean end in in any way. Um.

28:06.41
Jeremy
Yeah.

28:18.27
Matt
Honest to god some part of me feels like if if the rock is not going to turn up and I don’t see any scenario where it’s even remotely possible giving everything he’s got going on right now. Um. I think this match main events and I think that this may be where ron de Rousey comes back? um it and that there hasn’t been a whole lot of inkling at all I mean.

28:46.13
Jeremy
Mm.

28:53.20
Matt
That that she was she was looking at coming back for a while now which is a really weird thing because you know we went through a couple of months there we’re like oh this is the Rhonda rosey could potentially turn up and then it got real quiet on that front I I do I think that that. You know with these 2 back in this Match. Um plant the seeds now because I’m okay with you running back that triple threat match come wrestlemania.

29:21.61
Jeremy
So she got she got a pregnant right? and she got it was it around the same time Beck eated then? Okay, um, so like so supposedly she could be ready to to to make a run then all right.

29:26.81
Matt
Yeah, yeah.

29:34.24
Matt
Um, yeah, absolutely.

29:40.88
Jeremy
I mean I don’t I don’t think that’s a terrible idea like especially with kind of his lackluster that the build that they’ve been doing to this you know, essentially what is a big four show. But I you know I think this is the last year where they they fully move on from. Survivor series being a big four show next year money in the bank is its replacement. Um, yeah.

30:01.41
Matt
It it doesn’t it doesn’t after the rocks twenty fifth anniversary it doesn’t have any any like there’s not even any legacy attached to it anymore. There’s zero stakes. Um I mean this this should be a paper view where you’re you’re culminating.

30:10.74
Jeremy
Have.

30:19.95
Matt
You know King of the ring tournaments or things like that. But there’s there’s just nothing. It’s it’s champion versus champion. But in the brand split none of the belts are actually on the line. The teams that win the survivor series matches get absolutely nothing it.

30:36.34
Jeremy
Yeah.

30:39.19
Matt
I I mean at this point that these these survivor series teams should be built of you know like a top guy like your mcintyre jeff hardy put a tag team in there and then put it I think there should be a woman. I think there should be 1 of each of these matches and then whichever team wins those guys are in the next in line for title shots on their particular brand I mean it. It’s it’s a convoluted system because how do you How can you determine which.

31:00.52
Jeremy
M.

31:16.23
Matt
Which of the singles competitors is the you know going for the world and then the midcard belt but you got to do something and they’ve they’ve just sort of let this thing become kind of a just hodgepodge. How can we get happy corbin on a payview sort of just. It meaningless thing and it’s it’s really sad because I was thinking about it last night and you know last year I couldn’t go with Covid. They didn’t have a crowd this but outside of that this will be the first survivor series since what 2015 that I haven’t gone to live. Um.

31:48.59
Jeremy
M.

31:54.00
Matt
I mean I love the matches they’re they’re tons of fun. Um, you know I was there for the the confetti drop broke kick when when when shame is cashed in like there was so much awesome shit that went down on these shows and and the last few years. It just.

31:54.12
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah I was just thinking about that 1 Yeah.

32:13.79
Matt
Don’t feel like there’s any stakes in anything and it’s it’s sort of taken away from it.

32:18.70
Jeremy
Man twenty sixteen those 2 survivor series matches were excellent. They included some people like Jeff el ah well jeff ellsworth I don’t even remember what his first name was anymore james ellsworth yeah that well.

32:29.48
Matt
James.

32:36.34
Jeremy
Not so great anymore. But um, but for the most part it was just a lot of fun. Um.

32:39.86
Matt
And then where’s the smack or the nxt representation here like I really enjoyed that being an element of it. You know you got to you got to see like keith lee in the ring with Roman and adam cole went off and I mean it was like that.

32:47.90
Jeremy
Yeah.

32:54.90
Jeremy
Yeah.

32:58.63
Matt
That was fun I guess those are matches that you’re not going to get because all the nxt guys won’t have jobs in six weeks so at least we could get that like once in a lifetime opportunity to see these matches on paper view.

33:05.36
Jeremy
Oh man.

33:14.56
Jeremy
I hope they do something man I don’t know like like bringing people in for like you know long runs like maybe if they don’t they’re not signing as many people anymore but they bring in some people for like for an extended three month program ah but they like you know they kind of start doing a forbidden door type situation where they they bring in people in for short short runs but they don’t bring them in for the whole time. It makes it maybe a little less predictable. But maybe you do put your your title on I mean don’t take it from Roman but maybe you do take your title off of ah. An intercontinental champion or something like that you put it on a a visitor for a few weeks and make that unpredictable I don’t know and they can still keep their budget lower. Um and keep their product interesting. But I just like if if they’re not going to do something like that like. It’s going to get real stale here I mean it was already pretty stale and and the fact is they weren’t using these people that they they’ve been cutting or I’m all inception of like get a running promos for certain people. Um, but they’re going to run out options and it’s just going to get extra stale and the ratings are going to go.

34:14.28
Matt
Yeah.

34:28.71
Jeremy
For further south but they must be getting ready to sell it because that’s the only thing that really makes sense.

34:31.48
Matt
Yeah, um, and the the other thing that I don’t get like why? Why do you keep signing I mean some of these people that are getting cut just signed extensions. I mean why? why are you You’re you’re putting yourself out there and and just destroying public opinion essentially with all of these things. Why are you not just signing people to 1 year deals let those 1 years expire and just don’t renew people that’s just business.

34:57.58
Jeremy
Yeah.

35:03.94
Jeremy
Yeah.

35:05.61
Matt
But you signing all of these people up trying to keep them from other companies and now you’re just like clean and house. It’s a terrible look and they’re not stupid I don’t understand why they wouldn’t find these little nuanced ways to save face. Even if this was what they were going to do contracts expire it happens. That’s why there’s a free agency period every year in every major sport. So like I just truly don’t understand and at least then the talent don’t have to bad mouth you for you know, basically having to live in ah in ah, a system where. You don’t know if you’re getting pink slipped every other day I mean they know when that Year is up they can plan around that they they know exactly what’s coming I just there’s there’s so many things that that confuse me about the way they’re doing this because I mean the. It’s just like just like Mjf he knows when his contract’s up. That’s why he’s already. He’s already building the bidding war um, like they signed all of those same people that they’re cutting now right around that same time. So those deals are coming up just.

36:19.94
Jeremy
Yeah.

36:22.76
Matt
Just ride it out. Your shareholders are already impressed. You don’t have to fire them to to raise your stock valuation a dollar in the quarter like it. It’s not helping anything Majorly in the long run um to like shit.

36:36.50
Jeremy
Yeah, especially when you got those Saudi shows back isn’t so you’re making a ton of money off that. So.

36:41.67
Matt
Yeah, yeah, just just absolutely nuts I don’t I don’t get it I mean in it in in 2021 when public opinion is maker break. It seems like just ask Joey ryan who we wouldn’t mention earlier like.

36:47.10
Jeremy
Um, yeah.

37:00.29
Matt
Public opinion goes a hell of a long way. At this point I mean he’s He’s just a piece of shit That’s not really a public opinion thing but he just generally a piece of shit. Ah so I.

37:02.00
Jeremy
Yeah, it.

37:11.40
Jeremy
I Dont like on 1 hand like and I don’t think this is gonna be the case but like ah 1 hand just like I Hope there’s still I Hope it doesn’t go the way of Wc W I Hope they don’t sell it and then to some like media conglomerate and they’re like Nah no worries and then they just Like. Have the video library but they they cease actually operating as a company like I don’t want just a w to be the top. The the the 1 company you know the 1 major company. Obviously there’ll be others but like yeah I want there to be good healthy Competition. So I hope.

37:29.79
Matt
Yeah.

37:48.55
Jeremy
Hope something works out but it is It is like real shitty that people keep on losing their jobs. Um, and I think.

37:52.32
Matt
Yeah I’ll see if I could I’ll see if I can find it. There was an article I read this morning where this this guy speculated you know I mean it’s not looking great for ring of honor to the point where if somebody had a little bit of money. Sinclair would sell.

38:04.44
Jeremy
Yeah.

38:09.80
Jeremy
Oh.

38:12.17
Matt
And the the article basically said between between being able to probably get ring of honor pretty cheap and the slew of w wwe releases that would add extra name recognition somebody with even the remotest sense of tv connections right now could establish a. Third legitimate wrestling company at this point just on the bones of those 2 things like and anybody I still keep hoping that Mark cuban secretly a wrestling fan just because everything he touches basically turns to gold.

38:32.37
Jeremy
Yeah m.

38:49.53
Jeremy
Yeah.

38:51.90
Matt
Even if the Mavericks didn’t play real well this year or last year at just he’s I don’t know he’s in invested and enthralled and he clearly has tv deals I don’t know maybe the rock gets fed up now that nia jack’s got fired and he’s like well shit somebody can fix wrestling. I might as well buy that shit up too like I did the xfl. Um I mean who knows I really I would I’m terrified for a world where wwb sells to aol time warner type especially with ring of honor kind of.

39:12.17
Jeremy
Yeah.

39:29.79
Matt
Teetering on the edge it because competition is is the only thing that helps and and and right now it’s it’s starting to fade and I don’t care how many you know how many million.

39:35.63
Jeremy
Yeah.

39:47.17
Matt
You can point to on a yeah demographic ratings chart each week for your program if program sucks that number will come down and if you keep putting stale shit on tv that number will come down so I’m with you i. Competition is the only thing that’s gonna keep this healthy and I desperately want to see somebody with a little pull save ring of honor just to just for the sake of the pipeline if nothing else. It doesn’t have to become a you know what dna thought they were back when.

40:20.83
Jeremy
M.

40:24.41
Matt
You know the Monday night wars went on I just you just need that top tier indie house that ring of honor has been for so long now and if that goes by the wayside i’d.

40:34.92
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah.

40:40.52
Matt
There’s gonna be an awful lot of unemployed wrestlers.

40:42.81
Jeremy
Yeah, and yeah, we just need something. Well let’s ah, let’s wrap this up 1 thing I just wanted a shout out this week so andy williams aka the butcher ah supposedly ripped his bicep. In the match versus e c ishi in orange cassidy this week and the very next day he was playing a show with ah here in the l a area with ah his band every time I Die. Ah I think that’s the name of it right? Um, so that’s a shout out to. Ah, real champ there for like getting to wrestle. Ah, ah, which apparently he took time off his tour. Ah so he could wrestle ishi understandably and then also then continue to to play on his tour with a rip bicep ah with a rip bicep is ah it’s a more of a minor injury. But it still sucks I’m sure. So yeah, yeah, so it’s a good to him anything else. You want to add.

41:41.34
Matt
Yeah, it’s it’s a little hard to play an instrument when it hurts every time you move your arm. Ah, now. Just ah, smash that like button give us a follow on all your podcast platforms. Youtube um, yeah, no I’m at this point I i. Fading a little bit so I guess I guess I’m not as caught up on sleep as I hoped I was but yeah I ah hopefully survivor series is good I don’t know excited excited for Danielson angels now that I’ve got the.

42:09.48
Jeremy
Ah.

42:18.15
Jeremy
And if it’s not whatever I guess sure.

42:25.79
Matt
The ticket for dynamite in Duluth December First yeah.

42:29.17
Jeremy
Yeah, hopefully hopefully that’s that’s the route they going, but that’s a logical route like with the next couple weeks after after chicago. so so yeah

42:37.67
Matt
What we will. We will undoubtedly come back at some point between now and then but you know if if schedules don’t allow it happy Thanksgiving everybody and we will. We will see you next time.

42:48.73
Jeremy
Yeah, enjoy that that Turkey Galbady guooker.